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Dennis Rodman Reveals Conversations With Kim Jong Un After Admitting He “Probably Is a Madman”

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American foreign policy has never seemed bore strange than when former NBA star Dennis Rodman began direct communications with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un. After visiting the country, Rodman has a unique perspective that most American diplomats do not. And now Rodman is opening up about the visit and giving his perspective on the mental state of the DPRK’s leader.

Rodman shared his opinions on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert.

Colbert introduced Rodman as a “five time NBA champion and possibly all that is standing between us and thermonuclear war with North Korea.”

“When I went over there,” Rodman told Colbert, “the first thing he said to me was, ‘Mr. Rodman, we just want to know, can we trust you?'”

“Absolutely,” Rodman answered. “And that’s how our conversation started.”

“He’s more like a kid than anything,” Rodman said.

“He’s a kid, but he’s a kid with nuclear weapons,” Colbert answered.

“I don’t really judge people, you know, by their color. I don’t judge where they come from. I just judge people where, you know, we’re all human beings. You know, throughout the day, we’re all human beings. It’s funny though that I don’t see how people can sit there and say that this person is a ‘madman.’ He probably is, but I didn’t see that. But he probably is,” Rodman said.

Rodman also takes credit for changing up the North Korean culture. Kim “wants to change his culture,” Rodman insists. Each time Rodman goes back he sees how the ruler “has changed so much for the people.” He’s been five times since 2013.

He attempted to go again this year, but was blocked by the U.S. State Department.

And Rodman genuinely believes he is helping where others cannot. “I want to open the door so we have some communications.”

“I’ve been trying to tell Donald since day one: ‘Come talk to me, man … I’ll tell you what the Marshal wants more than anything … It’s not even that much,’ Rodman said in an interview with The Guardian. Even so, he won’t share with others what it is Kim wants.

“For me to go over there and see him as much as I have, I basically hang out with him all the time, we laugh, we sing karaoke, we do a lot of cool things together. We ride horses, we hang out, we go skiing, we hardly ever talk politics and that’s the good thing about that.”

“Every time I see him hes always calm, he’s always smiling especially when he’s around family.”